2 days is a short period of time, but the context over those days is massively different.
On Sept 16th, a few dozen beta testers may have been using Peace and giving Marco feedback. On Sept 18, Peace is the top ranked app in the app store, displacing MineCraft. MineCraft! Estimates are in the 12000-15000 downloads on the first day[1]. You look in your iTunes connect account and realize you on the path to make $100K on an app that, rightly or wrongly, could impact other people's livelihoods. I can understand how that makes you consider the morality in ways you hadn't before.
Marco isn't against ads. He's said as much, and he runs ads himself. He's against oppressive, annoying, UX destroying ads. He wants to encourage tasteful ads. But within a day he himself had to write a story about how his own app would block ads from The Deck[2], which he has said is the type of advertising he finds tasteful and acceptable. Peace wouldn't effect change if it also impacted 'good' ads, and Marco said in that post he didn't want to be the arbitrator of what is a good and bad ad. At that point it was only a question of when he would pull it.
I don't believe he wrote an app hoping to have a small user base, so I don't believe that the success of the app was the problem. Without to mention that there are a number of ways to fix that, including finding a price point that makes it less interesting in order to reduces the installation base. But if the app was created in the first place, it was because the idea was to make everybody install it. It's a blackbox since we don't know the details but from the outside output I don't believe the blog post contains all the facts that influenced this choice.
Thinking you understand what a situation is going to be like ahead of time and seeing what that situation actually is like when it happens are 2 very different things.
The world is full of stories of people who attempt something and then get upset or disheartened or unhappy when it comes to pass. Why does everyone have to assume something nefarious here?
> I don't believe he wrote an app hoping to have a small user base, so I don't believe that the success of the app was the problem.
Absolutely agreed. All else aside, I don't really believe someone goes through the trouble of building, launching and promoting an iOS application on the app store (with all its hurdles) with the thought, "Gee, I really hope it doesn't get too popular!"
I'm not Marco (nor have I ever talked to him) and I'm not trying to put myself into his head space. Moreover, I absolutely despise a conspiracy theory. I'm simply saying that the explanation he gave, true or not, does not make sense to me so I personally choose not to believe it. If I were Marco and reading my comment, my response would be, "Good for you; I honestly couldn't care less what you think."
Dunno, marco just seems like an entitled jerk who's constructed a maze of rationalization around ad blocking. If you don't like the ads a website shows, well, you should have found that out of the first visit. Great. Then don't visit again. Here's his rationalization:
Publishers won’t solve this problem: they cannot consistently enforce
standards of decency and security on the ad networks that they embed in
their sites. Just as browsers added pop-up blockers to protect us from that
abusive annoyance, new browser-level countermeasures are needed to protect
us from today’s web abuses.
And we shouldn’t feel guilty about this. The “implied contract” theory that
we’ve agreed to view ads in exchange for free content is void because we
can’t review the terms first — as soon as we follow a link, our browsers
load, execute, transfer, and track everything embedded by the publisher. Our
data, battery life, time, and privacy are taken by a blank check with no
recourse. It’s like ordering from a restaurant menu with no prices, then
being forced to pay whatever the restaurant demands at the end of the meal. [1]
To use his dumb analogy, it's going to the same restaurant over and over and whining about the prices. If you don't like the prices, stop going.
Continuing to visit while blocking ads is no different than downloading movies or apps for free because you can. It's fine when a handful of people do it; just like music sharing wasn't a huge problem until Napster. When every ios user starts totally blocking ads, it's not longer ignorable. There's no human right to read the nytimes.
what part of his "maze of rationalization around ad blocking" has he rescinded? None.
I still believe that ad blockers are necessary today, and I still think
Ghostery is the best one, but I’ve learned over the last few crazy days that
I don’t feel good making one and being the arbiter of what’s blocked. [1]
He doesn't want to be the author of the ad-blocking software, but he continues to use it. :rolleyes: He wants to dodge personal responsibility while continuing to engage in and advocate for the behavior he's now acknowledged is harmful. ie he's an entitled jerk.
Note ad blocking also disabled ads on marco.org and daringfireball.net, though; I'm sure that was unrelated to his decision.
ps -- he hasn't refunded his users. He's indicated how they can get a refund which isn't the same thing at all. Sincere regret might be easier to believe if he got rid of the tens of thousands of dollars he earned from this.
> realize you on the path to make $100K on an app that, rightly or wrongly, could impact other people's livelihoods
Because someone giving me 100k for an app which wrote, to use it for the exact purpose I made it for is certainly /the/ reason I would change my mind about making it...
> and subject me to a torrent of unpleasantness. But that’ll end soon enough, and that’s better than how I’d feel if I kept going.
What he doesn't say is that he is obviously already getting what amounts to a "torrent of unpleasantness", from people which are more like colleagues than customers. Of course, no one wants to admit to kowtowing, so there is no mention of it, but as we can see, he cares about this sort of thing, so it was obviously a significant factor.
So you're saying your idea of what's moral is different. The "what he doesn't say" and "cares about this sort of thing" is completely unfounded and callous. Not exactly useful.
Can you or anyone else tell me if The Deck ads still track and employ targeting. If they do, then personally I'd consider them still invasive and worth blocking. If not, then I see his point.
Thank you. I should have clicked the link before posting. I'd agree that a better option would have been to have an ad network whitelist option to reward those who strive for improving UX. Tough spot to be in.
On Sept 16th, a few dozen beta testers may have been using Peace and giving Marco feedback. On Sept 18, Peace is the top ranked app in the app store, displacing MineCraft. MineCraft! Estimates are in the 12000-15000 downloads on the first day[1]. You look in your iTunes connect account and realize you on the path to make $100K on an app that, rightly or wrongly, could impact other people's livelihoods. I can understand how that makes you consider the morality in ways you hadn't before.
Marco isn't against ads. He's said as much, and he runs ads himself. He's against oppressive, annoying, UX destroying ads. He wants to encourage tasteful ads. But within a day he himself had to write a story about how his own app would block ads from The Deck[2], which he has said is the type of advertising he finds tasteful and acceptable. Peace wouldn't effect change if it also impacted 'good' ads, and Marco said in that post he didn't want to be the arbitrator of what is a good and bad ad. At that point it was only a question of when he would pull it.
I take him at his word.
[1] http://www.techinsider.io/marco-arment-just-pulled-peace-fro...
[2] http://www.marco.org/2015/09/17/why-peace-blocks-deck-ads