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to be fair, that is _most_ management. good management is quite rare, unfortunately.


And much of the "good" management I've encountered is actually about protecting your people from the bad management around and above you in the organization.

Many orgs tend to conflate technical leadership with people management and with project management, and they are different things.


> Many orgs tend to conflate technical leadership with people management and with project management, and they are different things.

The problem is that if you get a professional PM, they typically have seniority on the org chart and call the shots, even when they don't have the technical capacity to do so.

I'd like to experience an in team flat structure, one where management/PM is working for the team, not in charge of them.


All the really excellent PMs at Microsoft that I worked with seemed "flat" to me -- they did coordination, technical documentation and basically "glued together" disparate groups. They were technically deep and would have made fine engineers, except they were better at communication and negotiation than your average engineer. They didn't seem to give a damn what the management structure was like, except to steer around it.

The poorer PMs were the ones stuck in hierarchy, who managed schedules, tracked bug counts and (aside from bug triage maybe) did work that could have been largely automated. These folks tended to circulate through and were generally fungible, even at the nosebleed levels of their management tree.

I would happily have traded 20 or 30 of the "bug counter" PMs for a couple of technical PMs who could write specs that meant something. (I saw many "bug counter" PMs quit, or get fired).


Yeah, one of the trademarks of the managers I enjoy is that they leave me (mostly) alone and clear my path.


Most management (current company excepted) all management does is request new features and down prioritize the previous "urgent" feature requests.


I suspect there is a fair amount of survivorship bias[1] in one's personal analysis of management. For me, the managers I can easily recall are the bad ones. Something about how anger makes a deeper mark in your memory than joy does.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias


> Something about how anger makes a deeper mark in your memory than joy does.

Uh? I thought that for most people, bad memories fade away and only good ones remain. And that's what I observed around me as well (I noted it because I seemed to be the only one in the group to remember bad memories linked to a certain period, while other guys only remembered the good ones and looked at this time through rose-tainted glasses and had totally forgotten about the whole lot of hardships we went through).


I know this is the stereotype but is that really so? In my country (Finland) only third of managers were recently estimated to be incompetent in some way or another - a considerable part - but hardly most (this was a fairly reputable study). I would love to have statistics from elsewhere.


Finland is probably an extreme outlier, based on my own readings in any case. I've never worked in Finland, only in the United States. My anecdotal data is that _most_ U.S. management really sucks.


I've heard it said that, compared to some European management styles, the US management style is analogous to starting a bunch of fires and frantically ordering people to urinate on them.




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