Aren’t you just describing driving? What is the difference between thousands of cars crammed together on an interstate vs some cars watching a movie in a field?
The ones on a field will be emitting less pollutants whilst there will be way less on the motorway per m2.
It's a bigger problem where I live in Europe because of the number of diesels. Petrol cars aren't that bad especially when only idling for the airco. Diesels are disgusting idling.
Propane and natural gas cars are common in some places. As evidenced by forklifts, the exhaust is clean enough for them to be used in large, somewhat-well-ventilated spaces indoor like warehouses.
> Petrol cars aren't that bad especially when only idling for the airco. Diesels are disgusting idling.
Petrol cars do not do complete combustion and emit carbon monoxide which is toxic. Diesels don't. Modern diesels, running on mandated low sulfur fuel, can have lower levels of troublesome emissions than petrol cars. Trucks are a different matter though as they generally are not subject to the same emission standards at present.
Right I own that car and you are right its claimed emissions were a lie.
I now have the fix and it complies with emissions regulations, and gets the same mileage as before. It was stupid of management and engineers to try to defeat emissions tests because clearly they were capable of delivering the car they promised using the engineering skills they had. Being dumb cost them billions of dollars and has nearly destroyed the company, a fine company. Someone just didn't want to do things right at the time and maybe got off on scamming. Current status is that this car has unbelievably low emissions and gets astonishing mileage and also has high performance.
Only problem is service costs a lot and requires specialized technicians. I hear Teslas and Apple products have a similar issue.
> I can smell it
Mine has no smell before or after the fix. I can smell petrol exhaust.
While diesel fuel combustion engines produce lower levels of carbon monoxide than gasoline engines, these emissions can still generate lethal amounts of carbon monoxide given a sufficient amount of time in an enclosed space. Carbon monoxide makes up anywhere from 2% to 12% of diesel exhaust gases.
Wow, what insufferable arrogance obnoxiously delivered. Nothing I said was jerky. You seem to be projecting.
From your first reference:
> an extensive literature review produced no scientifically reported cases of fatal CO poisoning attributed to diesel fuel exhaust.
Petrol engines produce 12% CO. Diesel engines simply do not do so, contrary to the claims of the ethically challenged injury lawyer source you provided as your primary reference in your earlier post. Can Diesel produce high CO levels? Yes, but it is hard to force this. The Nazis used diesel to asphyxiate Jews with CO, but they had to meddle with the engines.
Submarines and mines. How does anyone survive there in the presence of diesel combustion engines.
1955 study of relative emissions of diesel, gasoline, and propane engines:
Note in particular the charts beginning on page 105.
> exhaust gases from Diesel engines contained less than 0.1% carbon monoxide, whereas the carbon monoxide concentrations in the exhausts of the carbureted engines ranged from 1.5 to 12%. The reason for this difference is the well-known fact that carbureted engines generally operate with a deficiency of air whereas Diesel engines always operate with a substantial excess of air
It's basic science that has been known for a very very long time.
What you are claiming is wrong and has never been known to be the truth by anyone qualified to discuss this matter.
Tell you what. I bet you $1 million USD that you are wrong and that a normal diesel engine produces vastly less than 12% CO emissions. We each put our funds with a third party broker, we have an independent party do the testing, and winner takes all. Do you consent? If you would prefer a different wager amount, so state. Funds to be transferred to the third party broker by each of us in advance of testing. You're a well known famous billionaire guy so this will be peanuts with a guaranteed payoff for you if you really believe your claims.
Context is everything. Thousands of cars crammed together in either case, but one case with with the goal of transporting masses of people vs. burning gasoline to power a 3000lb generator and air condition your personal park bench while you move nowhere.
I don't know why everybody is talking about air conditioning; I've never used air conditioning at an outdoor movie theater. Maybe if you live in Southern Florida running the AC would make sense, but right now at this time of year most of the country is firmly in "bring a sweater" territory.
Keep in mind that outdoor theaters don't work during the day, only after dark, when everything cools down...
You're right, context is everything, and in this context a huge number of people who drive to work every day aren't driving now. So if fifty cars sit in a parking lot for an hour, and half of them are running, it's an extraordinarily small addition to the huge loss in overall emissions.
Except air flow from moving cars allows fresh air intake to have a better chance of actually getting fresh air than if your car is stationary directly behind the exhaust of another car
