Living in Europe, I’m deeply amazed at how much help and support he got for free from a bunch of people from one of the most important (and expensive) laboratories in the world. All of that just to basically have some fun and take some pictures. I’m absolutely sure that here he would never have any support to do this. We unfortunately have forgotten how to have fun and be creative here in the old world.
As someone who's been living in the US for a while, but who grew up, lived, and worked in Germany all my life before, I'm not sure what you mean.
Me and engineers I knew were humans who liked fun (and especially had curiosity), too. As long as proper safety precautions are taken, why not? Seems like it wasn't very different here, either:
> "I need to have an MDS --- a Material Date Safety Shet --- on the paint before I can let you burn it," he said.
Sure but would you expect Fraunhofer (or something like that) to just give away resources and human hours to just burn a computer case? Of course Europeans have fun, that was just hyperbole; but institutionally speaking, it’s an extremely rigid place. You might even question whether it was ok to spend those resources. Maybe it wasn’t. But every time I go to the USA I’m positively impressed by how much they have the freedom to make decisions. In Europe all we do is follow the rules.
I don’t know about Fraunhofer but my experience in other European countries (mainly the UK, France and Italy) is that you just need to be nice with someone with access to the facilities you need. Unless you need something very specific (read dangerous), there is no problem. We don’t let visitors play with the instruments or anything, but we’re happy to do it for them if we have the right gear and our schedule permits.
In more serious cases (if things like hydrofluoric acid, liquid sodium, or uranium are needed), then sure there would need to be a risk assessment, the health and safety people would need to get involved, and visitors could not be present. But otherwise there is pretty much no problem. In general, the decision would be taken with no involvement of any manager beyond the team level (~20 people). And that would be following the rules in place.
Great to know your experience! Maybe I’m in the wrong country, but my experience here is that nobody will lift a finger for you unless (a) it is part of their previuosly allocated workload and (b) it is risk-free. By risk-free I mean really risk free; even wrongly spending 10 euro in a ham sandwich could get you fired and in legal trouble. Plus, just getting people to spend a few minutes to talk to you (if it’s not their preallocated duty to do so) is a nightmare, let alone expect them to actually make an unorthodox decision.
It's not something I would expect to happen in the US today; the 90s were a very different time. Maybe due to 9/11? But the same amount you're impressed here, I as an American am also surprised. It feels like this story is from a different country than the USA to me. All we do now is follow the rules.
Sears used to be like this back in the day, and this other place, my memory tells me it is Montgomery Ward but I have doubts if that's right.
We brought a machine up there one day and the guy at the window breaks the thing down right there on the spot so young-me at the time could get an explainer of what he was doing. To little me that was the future, and this person taking their time to explain it to me was like an elder passing on their history. My little record button was firmly pressed.
Yeah, 9/11 changed the mood considerably here, but I blame the no-fun-at-work on the Internet bubble of the turn of the millennium. Since then everything is about money and only about money.
I was making 100's of boards in probably the best equipped tech lab in Europe because the project I was working on was fun and the people that ran the lab figured that if it is going to be done it might as well be done well. Oh, and here are they keys to the parts locker, please do tally what you use and don't worry, we won't charge you, it's just so we know what to re-order...
So yes, that does happen. And that was a lot more substantial than some help burning up a computer case. Also, this www thingy, that's someone's side project.
I did better: I helped track down a really nasty problem in one of their series boards, which happened to use a CPU that I was pretty good at programming at the time. Lots of fun!
I’m deeply amazed at how much help and support he got for free from a bunch of people from one of the most important (and expensive) laboratories in the world
As a former journalist, it truly is amazing the amount of free information that comes out of America's government, and the vast number of truly helpful people who work there.
I can't count the number of times I didn't understand something I read in a federal document, and was able to pick up the phone and within 15 minutes or so be in touch either with the person who wrote it, or someone who knew the topic intimately. Very often, they would follow-up with stacks of documentation by mail.
And I'm not talking about conversing with public relations people or media people or others who are paid to talk to the media. But regular federal staffers who really just wanted to make sure I understood things.
The Congressional Budget Office, and the General Services Administration stick in my memory as being especially helpful.
Sadly, it's the bad bureaucrats who get all the notoriety, and state/local offices have become markedly worse over recent years, as budgets have been cut and the Freedom of Information Act backfired, turning everything into a firewalled process. But there are still plenty of people out there who remember that every... single... thing... the federal government produces is the property of the people, which is why it's illegal for a federal agency to assert copyright over anything it created with tax dollars.
For what it's worth, I've also met FOIA people who are very excited by the mission of FOIA. So many government employees are really there for the mission of it! They rarely make the news, but my esteem for government workers has mainly grown the more contact I've had with them.
Exactly. The amazing thing about America is how these people just pop up spontaneously. They get a salary just like we do but for some reason some (many?) of them just have this spark to go further. I love that you mentioned actually talking to people to solve problems. In the Nordic countries it feels like every minute of every person is worth a million euros. Good luck justifying that extra question or two.
I always wonder where they find people to give quotes in response to events in news articles.
Obviously in politics news it's usually used for evil - like the NYTimes or local TV stations are both famous for quoting a man on the street who's just a concerned citizen, and then you look their name up and they're a lobbyist or something.
But in science news you often see expert X releasing a paper and then someone from university Y, who wasn't involved and wasn't a reviewer, quoted reacting to it. Where does the journalist find them?
Can't comment for America, but in New Zealand most of our universities ether have an opt-in media expertise database, encourage browsing through the normal staff profiles to find someone, or encourage media to get in touch with a central point of contact to find someone to comment.
Living in Europe and working at the local version of the national labs, I would be very interested in doing this sort of things. An afternoon worth of fun with fire is well worth the paperwork. Well, as long as no radioactive materials are involved.
The technicians are there anyway and we don’t need to justify each litre of fuel we use, so there is pretty much no expense. We do all kinds of experiments for visitors somewhat regularly.
it's worth noting that he was a journalist who had an existing relationship with the press office. i think it might have been a different story if he were just some random guy who decided to phone up the llnl switchboard and ask if they had a good spot to burn some shit.
Living in Europe has, so far, made me very frustrated by how well and how completely (and responsibly) people have recycled their old computers. There is no sign IBM 3270 terminals ever existed, no DEC VT-[2|3]30s, not even our very own, very European (and very gorgeous) Nordata, Nixdorf, Olivetti, and Nokia terminals and computers. BBCs are more often found (very interesting and unique machines), as well as Commodore and Atari STs, but there is no vestige of the breathtaking richness one finds abandoned in warehouses in the middle of the US.