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'Ending San Quentin': plan would turn prison into 'Norwegian style' rehab center (theguardian.com)
22 points by mitchbob on March 17, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 9 comments


This prison was mentioned in one of Gil Scott-Heron's poems, "We Beg Your Pardon":

Said they're gonna slap his wrists, gonna retire him with 850 thousand dollars

And America was “shocked”

America leads the world in shocks

Unfortunately, America does not lead the world in deciphering the cause of shock

“850 thousand dollars,” they said, and the people protested, so they said,

“Alright, we'll give him 200 thousand dollars”

Everybody said, “OK, that's better”

I'd like to retire with 200 thousand dollars someday

San Quentin, not San Clemente

Do not pass go, go directly to jail, do not collect 200 thousand dollars

https://genius.com/Gil-scott-heron-and-brian-jackson-we-beg-...


"a fundamental shift from the extremely punitive American system"

How is he going to deal with the powerful people who are profiting off these slavery camps?


How much $$$ is generated from the labor? My impression is that the (very bad) slave labor aspect is a small grift on top of the system. I have seen people start to talk as if it actually drives the system in a fundamental way, but I have not seen evidence for that position.


It would cost "$1.5 billion to pay [CA] prisoners minimum wage."[1] California came close to ending slave labor last year, but the cost of doing so was prohibitive.

1. https://calmatters.org/justice/2022/06/california-prisoners-...


Well if prisoners are digging holes, you can calculate how much it would cost to pay them minimum wage but it doesn’t mean that the owners of the system benefit from the holes.

The relevant question is how much money is made from the output of the prisoner labor. And then, is that amount enough to plausibly provide an incentive to, say, apply political pressure to get more prison labor, as opposed to just being a grift on top of the prison population that would exist anyway without the presence of the grift.


San Quentin being a state-run prison, that would be who exactly, the governor of California?


I think they mean people who benefit from prison labor not private prison operators. State prisons also do forced labor for profit, legalized slavery.

But I don't think san quentin would be affected much since it is a maximum security facility.


> I think they mean people who benefit from prison labor

Oh, you mean the guy at the head of the parent organization of the California Prison Industry Authority, which makes and sells products with prison labor, i.e., again, the Governor of California?

I don’t think Newsom is worried about that guy.


He is termed out. Dude might run for presidency someday. Probably not though, considering the current political trends.

In all honesty he could be done with the election side of politics after this term.




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