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>> they know it happened because people saw him both dying and living afterwards, so it boils down to whether you believe their accounts.

I come from a religious background, born and raised catholic, and even in our indoctrinating upbringing it was made clear that the new testament isn't eyewitness testimony. It's a written story of something someone said. Given the age of the material this is the best we're going to get, obviously, but it's not quite as clear cut as it might seem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament

" They were written between approximately 70 and 100 AD, and were the end-products of a long process of development; all are anonymous, and almost certainly none are the work of eyewitnesses."



Wikipedia is incredibly biased when it comes to certain topics, especially anything pertaining to Jesus. The irony is, the section you have quoted doesn’t even have a source attached! More reading: https://larrysanger.org/2020/05/wikipedia-is-badly-biased/


It's better than Britannica and other encyclopedias and has been for over a decade.

Just because it doesn't support your _preferred_ narrative doesn't undermine the fact that it's effectively the most trustworthy source on damn near any topic including that one.


Ok, is what I said wrong then? It's literally what I've been told by catholic priests as well - Wikipedia was just the easiest source to link here.


One of the books that I've come across that gets into the development process of the gospels is:

Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew

According to that book, there was a fair bit of religious conflict between the gonastic branch and the proto-orthordox (and some others too) with gospels and edits that attempt to discredit the other sects or build up their own narrative that is in agreement with their faith.




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