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are you seriously implying that immigration is responsible for a sudden reduction in public trust? american immigration has been a thing for 300 years


The type of immigration the US has experienced has changed a fair bit over those 300 years, let alone the last 50 years.


How? Other than it's by land instead of by sea?

My immigrant grandparents came here seeking asylum from persecution in their home country. The other side all came seeking jobs.

How is that different?


I think the mentality is different. Our great grandparents did their best to make sure the kids spoke great English and tried to get them to become American as possible. Today we encourage the kids to speak their mother tongue. Sure it's great for job prospects and to keep it's not about what language they speak as much as the mentality about becoming an American and leaving the home country behind.


Every new wave of immigrants in the US has had this criticism levied at them, from the Germans (https://www.history.com/news/anti-german-sentiment-wwi) to the Irish (https://www.history.com/news/when-america-despised-the-irish...) to the Chinese (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act) to the Indians to the Italians (https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2015/januaryfebruary/feature/...) to the Poles (https://www.nytimes.com/1976/03/25/archives/polishamericans-...).

Every one of those waves saw the second and third generation speak English and be heavily Americanized. It always happens.


You're probably right and I'm just drawing conclusions I shouldn't based on one aspect of my personal experience being married to an immigrant.


The volume of uncontrolled migration.

Societies regulate the influx of strangers to protect their culture — and the rapid influx of people who don’t share cultural values has damaged American culture.


https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/imm...

Going by this chart (the first thing in google), the percent of immigrants between 1850 and 1930 was about the same as 2000-on, with a dip in the middle.


That period led to increasing ethnic tensions and a demand to restrict immigration to protect cultural continuity, as well.

Eg, this. [0]

Why are people surprised by a similar outcome this time?

[0] - https://history.state.gov/milestones/1921-1936/immigration-a...


Were tensions rising for 80 years straight? Or more, since the chart doesn't go before 1850?

If not, what was different between 1850 and 1900?


The Americas went for over 350 years (from 1500 to 1850) before there existed any kinds of controls on immigration.

Americans have only ever been afraid of "uncontrolled immigration" when it was non-white immigrants. It was for racist reasons that we passed the Chinese Exclusion Act, and it's for racist reasons now.


> Americans have only ever been afraid of "uncontrolled immigration" when it was non-white immigrants.

This is racist revisionism.

There was plenty of dislike of white migrants as well, eg, Irish, German, Polish, Italian, etc all received ethnic hatred at various periods.

> it's for racist reasons now

Believing that all nationalism is racism is ideological nonsense meant to poison the well, rather than address serious challenges to your ideology and the impact it has on cultures and human flourishing.


> There was plenty of dislike of white migrants as well, eg, Irish, German, Polish, Italian, etc all received ethnic hatred at various periods.

White skinned, but critically, not WASP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestants


> Believing that all nationalism is racism

Sure, that would be a ridiculous thing to say, which is why I didn't. If I meant "every person who is opposed to immigration is fuelled by racial hatred," I would have said that. I thought that a good-faith reading was one of the rules of HN?

If you look at the times when anti-immigrant sentiment is highest, whether via popular opinion or governmental action, it directly corresponds to when Americans were the most racist about the arriving immigrants.


> when it was non-white immigrants

Irish and Italians in my area would beg to differ. I'll grant it wasn't federal policy, at least.


Irish and Italians weren't always considered white.


Hate.... finds a way.


"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus#Text


Public trust is a function of common values, as values diverge, trust plummets. Unassimilated immigrants is one of the bigger factors in divergent values among others.


And yet, the people with whom my values most diverge are other white people like myself who have been in the US for many generations. It's a cop out to blame this all on the brown people crossing the border.


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In the future only money will have freedom of movement, never humans. You are serving your intended role in the consent-manufacture machine working to ensure that outcome. If you actually still believe in the idea of nations as anything besides a means to divide and conquer Us from Them, I would encourage you to learn about the death and posthumous citizenship of Raoul Wallenberg. The US State Department FOIA cables would be a great place to start.


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That’s a super bonkers theory amigo.

“Most people” who dispute the idea that there’s a purposeful undermining of social cohesion via permissive immigration policy are disputing it because they are willing to uproot their entire lives to switch countries?!

Holy smokes.


It's definitely a super bonkers theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootless_cosmopolitan


Ah! This makes sense now (unfortunately). Paranoiac crybabies on the rise once again.


Read what I said again, and more carefully.


I keep reading it and it keeps getting crazier and crazier. Feel free to tell me what specifically I interpreted incorrectly :)


He may or may not have a valid point. But he stated it clearly and politely. And has been censored for it. And that is a bit messed up.


That's HN for you. Reddit but users are given the power to delete comments they don't like (unless you happen to check settings and notice showdead)




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