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Always interesting to see the analogs of island vs continental culture when comparing UK <-> America and Japan <-> China. Seems like islanders, due to their reliance on trade, naturally get specialized and autistic about their craft so they can have a comparative advantage, and their obsessions carry over into stuffy traditional practices.


>Always interesting to see the analogs of island vs continental culture when comparing UK <-> America and Japan <-> China.

when America was settled/founded by Britains, etiquette had not been standardized in GB either so the differences are due to parallel development, not island vs continent. That probably holds even more for differences between Japan and China.


I counter with the American swap-the-fork-hand-after-you-cut thing. Diabolical.


As an American, I don't think I have ever seen anyone do this.


It's like you've never met someone who's left handed


Really? You hold the fork with your dominant hand, and cut with your non-dominant hand?


Yes. For the record, Americans also don't wear their shoes indoors, except for maybe some people in extremely dry climates.


Plenty of Americans wear their shoes indoors.


Sure, and plenty of Britons live in Gibraltar.


Don't all younger Americans do this? Cutting food and pushing it onto the fork requires less dexterity than conveying it to one's mouth. I know Boomers who put down their knives after each cut (never using them to push) and swap their fork around before using it tines-down, and I think it's more comically affected than the tea–pinky thing.


You're not supposed to use the fork like a shovel, is the thing. The tines are to skewer the food, which is why tines-down makes sense. Otherwise, why not a spoon?

Also, the at-distance interaction between two tools requires much more dexterity than making your hand meet your mouth. The latter you should be able to do with your eyes closed.


If I were eating a stereotypical British meal – say: meat, potatoes, and peas – I would use the fork as a "shovel" for the peas: guide the peas onto the fork with a knife, then raise and eat from the fork.

I wouldn't switch from a fork to a spoon to eat the peas.

Other vegetables are available. I'm not judging.


> I would use the fork as a "shovel" for the peas

Well I don't personally mind, but this would be seen as poor form in the sense of the original article. You're 'supposed' to kind of spear them onto the end of the tines using the knife.

Also, with the scoop method, if the peas are hard enough, I would think they're at great risk of rolling around and off the fork. If I were going scoop style, I'd have to mash or at least flatten them a little first to prevent this.

No wonder robotics is hard.


    > "No wonder robotics is hard"
Imagine the furore when AGI realises humans frown on it for its table-manners! :-D


You're supposed to mush them onto the back of the fork, not impale them.


As another American, I submit you really haven't been paying attention.


Really? You don't know any Naval Academy graduates then.


That’s just mental. Does my head in when I see it.


American raised by a Brit here, and I was literally just doing this during lunch out. I consider the upside down fork just plain torture.


It's considered polite in American culture.


Would you mind sharing your insight? I'd be interested to hear!


What stuffy traditional practices does the UK have?




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